This line, most recently used in the recent movie “Best Exotic Marigold Hotel”, is emblematic of some of what’s wrong with dialysis.
Take the following story from a patient I saw the other day. She is a 76-year-old retired Armenian pediatric neurologist. She has stable chronic kidney disease and was seeing me after approximately 6 months. She told me that she had lost her husband a few months ago.
“I lost my husband with whom I was married for 40 years. We loved each other every one of those great years and I miss him so much”.
I asked her how he died.
“Well, you know, he was on dialysis, dialyzed three times a week. Around 4 am, on the night he died, he woke up suddenly complaining of an inability to breathe. He asked me to take him to the ER in the car rather than calling 911. But, as we were leaving the house he collapsed in the hallway and stopped breathing. I performed CPR on him, called 911, but we weren’t able to revive him.”
What was the cause of death?
“The autopsy didn’t really provide any answer; his heart was fine, but the lungs were filled with fluid. They said he died from pulmonary edema."
She went on: “He had stopped eating months before he died. He just lost his appetite. I think that the dialysis doctors didn’t realize that he had lost muscle. They just kept dialyzing him to the same weight, and I think he filled up with fluid until he couldn’t take it anymore”
As I reflect on this conversation, I am sad for my profession. In the 25 years I have been looking after dialysis patients our tools to assess the dry weight remain rudimentary.
Establishing the patient’s dry weight is also usually done empirically by volume challenging the patient. It’s not easy to get the patient to their dry weight. There is a risk of hypotension and cramps, and I’ve seen patients pass out when we’ve been too aggressive. But the truth is that we don’t have a fancy assay like the BNP to tell us if a patient is wet or dry. We still rely on taking a history and performing a physical examination. Some of the signs of volume expansion are unreliable and a physical exam is usually hard to do in an open dialysis unit with patient’s hooked to a machine in a dialysis chair.
Here is an excerpt from a superb article by Jack Jaeger and Ravi Mehta in JASN from 1999.
“Missing Changes in Lean Body Mass. There is also the occasional patient who has achieved their so-called dry weight, but over time subtle negative changes in lean body mass occur due to inadequate dialysis prescription, inadequate dialysis delivery, comorbid illness, depression, or other causes. This change might not be reflected in serum albumin or urea kinetics studies, and failure to adjust dry weight results in a greater proportion of their body weight becoming ECF. An increase in BP with recognition of lean body mass change and consequent adjustment of dry weight may occur. Alternatively, there may be no BP response to this ECF expansion, a failure to adjust dry weight downward, and henceforth failure to identify this subtle change in nutritional status. Such small changes in nutritional status might be significant for the patient.”
They continue: “it is evident that contemporary management of fluid in the
dialysis patient is largely dependent on a clinically derived estimate of dry
weight. Clinical assessment of dry weight inevitably leads to both
overestimation and underestimation of dry weight. Overestimation of dry weight
leads to hypertension, stroke, and congestive heart failure, which are the main
causes of excess death in dialysis. Underestimation leads to persistent
hypotensive episodes, alienating dialysis patients from their caretakers, and
affecting delivery of prescribed dialysis. Moreover, the current focus on Kt/V
as an index for adequacy of dialysis in terms of solute removal ignores the
contribution of volume as an independent factor influencing outcome.”
The bottom-line is that we need to develop better ways to assess dry weight. For the husband of my patient, it really wasn't alright in the end and for our patient's not knowing precisely their dry weight isn't good enough.
Take the following story from a patient I saw the other day. She is a 76-year-old retired Armenian pediatric neurologist. She has stable chronic kidney disease and was seeing me after approximately 6 months. She told me that she had lost her husband a few months ago.
“I lost my husband with whom I was married for 40 years. We loved each other every one of those great years and I miss him so much”.
I asked her how he died.
“Well, you know, he was on dialysis, dialyzed three times a week. Around 4 am, on the night he died, he woke up suddenly complaining of an inability to breathe. He asked me to take him to the ER in the car rather than calling 911. But, as we were leaving the house he collapsed in the hallway and stopped breathing. I performed CPR on him, called 911, but we weren’t able to revive him.”
What was the cause of death?
“The autopsy didn’t really provide any answer; his heart was fine, but the lungs were filled with fluid. They said he died from pulmonary edema."
She went on: “He had stopped eating months before he died. He just lost his appetite. I think that the dialysis doctors didn’t realize that he had lost muscle. They just kept dialyzing him to the same weight, and I think he filled up with fluid until he couldn’t take it anymore”
As I reflect on this conversation, I am sad for my profession. In the 25 years I have been looking after dialysis patients our tools to assess the dry weight remain rudimentary.
Establishing the patient’s dry weight is also usually done empirically by volume challenging the patient. It’s not easy to get the patient to their dry weight. There is a risk of hypotension and cramps, and I’ve seen patients pass out when we’ve been too aggressive. But the truth is that we don’t have a fancy assay like the BNP to tell us if a patient is wet or dry. We still rely on taking a history and performing a physical examination. Some of the signs of volume expansion are unreliable and a physical exam is usually hard to do in an open dialysis unit with patient’s hooked to a machine in a dialysis chair.
Here is an excerpt from a superb article by Jack Jaeger and Ravi Mehta in JASN from 1999.
“Missing Changes in Lean Body Mass. There is also the occasional patient who has achieved their so-called dry weight, but over time subtle negative changes in lean body mass occur due to inadequate dialysis prescription, inadequate dialysis delivery, comorbid illness, depression, or other causes. This change might not be reflected in serum albumin or urea kinetics studies, and failure to adjust dry weight results in a greater proportion of their body weight becoming ECF. An increase in BP with recognition of lean body mass change and consequent adjustment of dry weight may occur. Alternatively, there may be no BP response to this ECF expansion, a failure to adjust dry weight downward, and henceforth failure to identify this subtle change in nutritional status. Such small changes in nutritional status might be significant for the patient.”
The bottom-line is that we need to develop better ways to assess dry weight. For the husband of my patient, it really wasn't alright in the end and for our patient's not knowing precisely their dry weight isn't good enough.

Irrespective of sloppy dry-weight estimates, we *do* have precise control and measurement of UFR.
ReplyDeleteThat we continue to ignore the *more* significant clinical parameter in favor of a less significant parameter (Kt/V)as our end-all and do-all is the true shame. We don't need a magical "better" dry weight calculator to stop doing this. We shouldn't be sad about this, we should be ashamed.
As I practice nephrology I try to be more focus in my patients,more love and care to my patients.i work to keep them in my center of my thought and to deliver the basic knowledge .........so with this way to reduce my mistakes and do not harm......I think the problem it is not the dry weight ......the problem is we do not serve them right.......THIS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL study : how to serve more efficacious our PATIENTS...
ReplyDeleteHigh UFR's make our patients feel AWFUL. They tell us this, falling upon deaf ears. Why isn't how a patient FEELS at the top of our list? Irrespective of laboratory values, shouldn't quality of life and patient comfort matter? Whatever happened to compassion?
ReplyDeleteWas fluid balance in this described elderly patient truly so mismanaged? We program the machinery "properly" (according to our little calculations)-yet ignore physical signs any competent nurse would be expected to notice? A patient having trouble breathing wasn't significant enough to reconsider the treatment? Really?
Thank you Dr Singh for your continued patient advocacy and obvious concern for patients -- most refreshing - If tools, other than observation are available, why are facilities not using such. I remember when my father started dialysis we were told by the medical director that they would be using something similar to the critline (an FMC unit) to ensure correct removal of fluid. After six years, we never saw such - (yes, familiar with the patient and issues surrounding this/legal, etc) -- The technicians evaluated patients, giving RNs the information - and often we had to ask to have the RNs even listen to lung sounds, etc. There was NOT an assessment each treatment e.g lungs sounds, checking for edema, etc... even thoug I brought such forward, told it not necessary --and it resulted in a big deal, causing problems e.g my being viewed as a problem versus advocate - my father suffered greatly due to severe hypotension to the extent that post dialysis he required IV saline (after treatement finsihed and needles removed, having to be stuck again) - although, the last treatment of his life, when his hypotension was severe, the staff, in my opinion, was too lazy to start an IV and gave him p.o. bouillon --I might add that due to the hypotension, he was barely able to swollow the fluid, being given such teaspoon at a time --he died a day and half later --perhaps if the unit had a better way to identify fluid removal needs of patients, he would not have suffered for months and months with hypotension - feeling so terrible that he had made a decision to stop dialysis -- but, because of his last treatment, he was not able to give a date for his last treatment -- the unit did that for him
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My mother, 65swf, gets dialysis 3x a week (has for 4 1/2 yrs) and unfortunately also has schleroderma and RA on top of that. Over the last few weeks she has started having breathing problems and the pain is so unbearable that she can't make it through the last 10 min. of dialysis. I'm so frustrated because I live states away and she doesn't want me to talk to the dr or nurse because she's afraid of upsetting them (unbelievable). I don't believe she ever exceeds her fluid limit and eats pretty decent... although only 115lbs. at 5'5.
ReplyDeleteI'm so frustrated as I feel I'm the doctor/nurse because I'm the one trying to find a way to work her pain management or find other causes of what's going on. It's as if they just go through the motions or I don't feel they're paying enough attention to her signs/condition. I'm not there so I could be wrong, but it's frustrating to see your own mother suffer in so much pain.
I'm actually researching pain management clinics tonight to hopefully send her to one this week. She's in rural PA so she's limited. She even drives 30 min. each way and that worries me with all of the rain/ice/snow they've been getting. :(
Please send some prayers up for my mother please and for those of you that work in the field - please remember that there are loved ones praying that you continue to go the extra mile to save their lives so we can spend a bit more time with them.
At the same time if they're at the end of their lives then it would be nice to know that as well. I'm just at a loss here.
Hopeful in MO,
Laurie
lauriefrompa@yahoo.com
nice post..
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